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Posted: **26 Feb 2021, 19:04**

DELIBERATE IGNORANCE AKA "DENIAL"

This post poses a threat to the income stream and profits of every shady job agent and TEFL recruiter who skim as much as 40% of every teacher's salary by never allowing the teachers to know what their true salaries are. They are called skimmers and along with corrupt principals they violate Chinese law which says that "no more than "one month's salary" But since they always quote you low-ball salaries you will think and believe that the low public school salary of our Mongolian man John is normal all over China. This old article seems humorous but it is absolutely true... https://chinascampatrol.wordpress.com/2 ... principal/

Also here are three more very credible sources who agree with the CTA, CFTU, Huffington Post, The Telegraph, Forbes, ECA International, ETA, SalaryExplorer, BBC, ETA, China Daily, Global Times and two of them even cite salaries that are even higher and say the average salary of an expat in China today is $86,000 to $276,000 per annum (the latter if you are bi-lingual). BUT again, these are salaries of REAL QUALIFIED TEACHERS WITH VERIFIABLE DEGREES AND TEACHING EXPERIENCE.

https://qz.com/work/1660752/it-pays-to- ... -for-work/

https://www.humanresourcesonline.net/sa ... ic-outlook

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Mercer ... 2_IN48.htm

https://www.immigrationworld.com/etc/be ... -packages/

So, now all of the below entities with offices and years of experience in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and other 1st Tier cities of China have now proven Mongolia John dead wrong, yet he remains in denial because he will no longer be able to recruit dumb gullible newbies to go work for his public school friends in Mongolia.

MERCER

Glassdoor

HumanResourcesOnline.net

China Teachers Alliance

SalaryExplorer.com

China Daily Newspaper

Forbes Magazine

The Telegraph Newspaper

The BBC

Expat Teachers Association

ECA International

Global Times Newspaper

China Foreign Teachers Union

OpnLttr.com

ImmigrationWorld.com

So either Mongolia John prefers the convenience and comfort of denial, or he is just out of touch and not current on his research since he has not provided us with a single source that support his claims.

Posted: **28 Feb 2021, 22:22**

I can understand why all those big TEFL agencies and the individual recruiters hate that someone posted the real salaries for everyone to see. Those who know the truth obviously will not fall for those bogus low-ball salaries they try to tell us are "normal" for China. I also found this to be very interesting https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/china and especially this one: https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education ... 0d6f36b-en

Posted: **01 Mar 2021, 14:19**

I never thought I would see the day that Laowai were actually trying to sneak INTO China! I actually met some refugees from the Ukraine and Serbia that paid $1,000 each to take a boat into Taizhou just too teach as fake Americans! Sooner or later they will get caught, but at least they will make some decent money for their families.

Posted: **20 Apr 2021, 14:05**

Heads up to all. I just noticed there are two recruiters on this forum that are posting false low-ball salaries that are pre-COVID salaries. You will find them with either very low post counts or the highest post counts (long-time resident stealth recruiters). Never believe anyone who is trying to sell you something (ie TEFL courses, visa services, fake diplomas, etc) or someone who will profit from your job placement (TEFL Recruiters, Visa Agents, Job Agents, etc). Review this thread completely to sort the facts from fiction. If you listen to recruiters hype and lies you will cheat yourself out of at least $5,000 per year. The charts at https://reddit.com/r/ChinaTeachers and below are current 2021 salary charts FOR QUALIFIED TEACHERS with real degrees, and 2 years verifiable teaching experience.

Posted: **21 Apr 2021, 15:39**

I think you should emphasize that if teachers use a recruiter, visa agent, or job agent to get a job in China, you will reduce these salaries by 40%. I found out the hard way on my very first payday at B _ _ _ L _ _ _ _ _ _ _ when I noticed all the teachers who got their job through 3rd parties received 7,000 less that applied directly. Tank God I know longer work at that snake pit.

Posted: **23 Mar 2023, 12:11**

Blue Moon wrote: ↑21 Apr 2021, 15:39 I think you should emphasize that if teachers use a recruiter, visa agent, or job agent to get a job in China, you will reduce these salaries by 40%. I found out the hard way on my very first payday at B _ _ _ L _ _ _ _ _ _ _ when I noticed all the teachers who got their job through 3rd parties received 7,000 less that applied directly. Tank God I know longer work at that snake pit.

Thanks a lot for help!

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